Curse

Bryant Again · Feb 15, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by bug_out

IMHO, too little to late. I stopped caring about sunspear and lightbringer titles long ago.

I concur.

Still feel pretty shitty for those who got it not by exploiting...And if they change the Lightbringer title (for no reason whatsoever) then wow, I don't know what they're thinking anymore.

Warmaster Patton · Feb 15, 2007, 08:40 PM // 20:40

I don't see why people cry about the titles, I play the game for the fun of it, not for titles. Think of it this way, if they screwed them up and you have to do more the get your precious title back, then you can have some more.

snabelfisken · Feb 15, 2007, 10:36 PM // 22:36

I wonder how far it will go.

Navaros · Feb 15, 2007, 10:45 PM // 22:45

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Still feel pretty shitty for those who got it not by exploiting...And if they change the Lightbringer title (for no reason whatsoever) then wow, I don't know what they're thinking anymore.

Everyone who got the maxed Sunspear title got it by exploiting it. Clearly Anet didn't intend for it to be maxed by staying in a single zone and killing ressing mobs til it got maxed. Players who did that were still giving themselves on unfair leg up on everyone else who didn't have the foresight/time/stable enough Internet connection to also use that exploit.

Changing the max for Sunspear is a great thing across the board.

Carinae · Feb 16, 2007, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Clearly Anet didn't intend for it to be maxed by staying in a single zone and killing ressing mobs til it got maxed.

And yet it was Gaile that informed everyone that there was a 'way' to earn Spearmarshall. So they were aware of it from day one, and they didn't close the loophole until AFTER the LB AFK exploit.

Would you like me to show the PM I received from Galie congratulating me on achieving the title?

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Players who did that were still giving themselves on unfair leg up on everyone else who didn't have the foresight/time/stable enough Internet connection to also use that exploit.

So I must pay for your lack of foresight? And yea, you're soooooooo right those damn Spearmarshalls were ruining PvE. I mean, wow, going from R8 to R9 completely altered the PvE landscape!

Get off your high-horse.

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Changing the max for Sunspear is a great thing across the board.

I could have accepted it if they had extended the title while providing a reasonable method to achieve said title for everyone!!! They just took the title away for no reason, and that's just lame.

Navaros · Feb 16, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

And yet it was Gaile that informed everyone that there was a 'way' to earn Spearmarshall. So they were aware of it from day one, and they didn't close the loophole until AFTER the LB AFK exploit.

Would you like me to show the PM I received from Galie congratulating me on achieving the title?

So I must pay for your lack of foresight? And yea, you're soooooooo right those damn Spearmarshalls were ruining PvE. I mean, wow, going from R8 to R9 completely altered the PvE landscape!

Get off your high-horse.

I could have accepted it if they had extended the title while providing a reasonable method to achieve said title for everyone!!! They just took the title away for no reason, and that's just lame.

I'm not on a high horse, but rather the Sunspear title exploiters who think they should be allowed to have an unfair advantage over normal players in getting KOABD are. Exploiting the title and with the exploiters being the only ones able to have maxed it does indeed ruin the PVE landscape by giving exploiters KOABD partially based on an exploited title that normal players can't get. Exploiters are not paying for other players' lack of foresight, rather they are paying merely for harboring their own unfair expectation of being able to profit from exploiting.

Granted, it was not a good idea to put the title in as it was with a method available for it to be exploited (ie: the points should stop being added after tier 8, period) but just because an exploit existed it doesn't mean it's fair for those who use it to be rewarded for it above players who play by the intended rules.

Carinae · Feb 16, 2007, 01:20 AM // 01:20

There are a multitude of other titles you can get. I'm not gonna get the chest running title, but I don't think they should take it away from eveyone else simple because Necros dont have any running skills.

Normal players probably won't get they title anyway if it required 'hard mode'. So what you're really griping about that is that among the demographic that would max out titles, a few people took advantage of the method that Gaile, herself, published. It's a vanity, sure, and they should just open it up to everyone, but part of the game is finding loophole that noone else notices....

I don't think Anet has any coherent plan at all for PvE. They seem to be stumbling through blindly, in general. That's an observation, not an attack.

fenix · Feb 16, 2007, 01:23 AM // 01:23

I just hope they make this title max-able soon, I want People Know Me :P

Navaros · Feb 16, 2007, 01:28 AM // 01:28

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

There are a multitude of ofther titles you can get.

None of which could be maxed anywhere near as easily as the Sunspear/LB exploited titles were.

I remember a time a very long time ago when Anet broke out the ban stick and made a huge public announcement about it, IIRC simply for people exploiting a bug where they could get the Ascension experience reward repeatedly. This was before there were any Survivor titles in the game, hence back then experience was almost totally meaningless yet still people got banned just for exploiting that.

I find it extremely ironic now that players have come to expect things to be at the opposite end of that spectrum, not only do they not get banned any more for similar things that players were banned for in the past, but they also complain and "call for justice" when devs nerf the resulting rewards of their exploits.

Evilsod · Feb 16, 2007, 01:53 AM // 01:53

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Originally Posted by Navaros

None of which could be maxed anywhere near as easily as the Sunspear/LB exploited titles were.

I remember a time a very long time ago when Anet broke out the ban stick and made a huge public announcement about it, IIRC simply for people exploiting a bug where they could get the Ascension experience reward repeatedly. This was before there were any Survivor titles in the game, hence back then experience was almost totally meaningless yet still people got banned just for exploiting that.

I find it extremely ironic now that players have come to expect things to be at the opposite end of that spectrum, not only do they not get banned any more for similar things that players were banned for in the past, but they also complain and "call for justice" when devs nerf the resulting rewards of their exploits.

There are several... quite large differences. Back then GW wasn't losing players. I know this only from the fact that recently i've heard of alot of people quiting and several guild members have also quit. Banning people for completely stupid reasons (and yes, its exploiting the game but thats they're fault, they shouldn't have put it there in the first place) was a bad idea back then, doing it now is even more stupid.

And AFKing a title that has *NO* other method of been maxed after been implemented, and then the method of AFKing hte Sunspear title been approved by Gaile, then Anet nerfing it is a very good reason for people to complain. As for the Lightbringer title... i AFK'd 25000 of it, fair enough, they should've put higher bounties up in DoA, 2 LB points for something more than 4x more powerful than any enemy in RoT which is also worth 2 LB points is ridiculous. I'm finally a Holy Lightbringer now and its taken me absolutely ages to get the other 25000 points. If they hadn't set such a ridiculously high limit for it i wouldn't have had to AFK it. Likewise if it didn't have a bonus attached to it i wouldn't have been so inclined to AFK it.

As much as the moderators here try to force the 'its an exploit' crap on people by deleting/editing all posts that contradict them that won't change the fact they're wrong.

Carinae · Feb 16, 2007, 01:55 AM // 01:55

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Originally Posted by Navaros

None of which could be maxed anywhere near as easily as the Sunspear/LB exploited titles were.

Protector/Cartographer? Do that for all three chapters, and you have KoaBD.

Zehnchu · Feb 16, 2007, 02:35 AM // 02:35

I worked just as hard earning my Sunspear points, I maxed out as much as I could with the blessings before I cashed in the first quest since getting to Kourna I did every quest for Sunspear points I can find since then. I was 4,000 points away from maxing the title the only title I worked hard at earning waiting for an option to max it. Now it’s been raised and a conduction has been added just to max it.

All that hard work I did just went down the tubes, Guess it’s my fault for not jumping on the gravy train and wanting to max out a title I thought that I can achieve. Working on another title no thanks think I wasted enough time on titles, I don’t even care about KOABD I just wanted to max one, well did anyways.

oh well

MegaMouse · Feb 16, 2007, 07:10 AM // 07:10

Another reason for me to not play GW anymore. Its not enough that we cannot get past rank 8 in the sunspear title but now they have upped the title another rank. Definatly a big screw-up, they need to FIX the title so we can get the bonus's and not just make it more frustrating by adding to it.

Mega Mouse

Navaros · Feb 16, 2007, 07:27 AM // 07:27

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

There are several... quite large differences. Back then GW wasn't losing players. I know this only from the fact that recently i've heard of alot of people quiting and several guild members have also quit. Banning people for completely stupid reasons (and yes, its exploiting the game but thats they're fault, they shouldn't have put it there in the first place) was a bad idea back then, doing it now is even more stupid.

And AFKing a title that has *NO* other method of been maxed after been implemented, and then the method of AFKing hte Sunspear title been approved by Gaile, then Anet nerfing it is a very good reason for people to complain. As for the Lightbringer title... i AFK'd 25000 of it, fair enough, they should've put higher bounties up in DoA, 2 LB points for something more than 4x more powerful than any enemy in RoT which is also worth 2 LB points is ridiculous. I'm finally a Holy Lightbringer now and its taken me absolutely ages to get the other 25000 points. If they hadn't set such a ridiculously high limit for it i wouldn't have had to AFK it. Likewise if it didn't have a bonus attached to it i wouldn't have been so inclined to AFK it.

I agree with all of that post.

Just to clarify some things about my previous posts:

When I use the word "exploit", I don't mean it in a malicious way or look down on the players who did it.

I agree that banning then for the Ascension bug was not fair, and indeed players shouldn't be banned now for anything like that either (ie: ressing mob LB/Sunspear maxing). Nor do I blame the players for using the exploit, because it's not their fault the title could not be maxed in a legit way. The core issue is a design flaw with the title itself coupled with "unofficial" ways to max it that shouldn't have been existing in the game.

But despite all that, the fact remains that as it stood, it was not fair to give the upperhand on the path to KOABD to players who circumvented the game's normal mechanics to get the maxed title that everyone else can't get. Or to only let older characters have them, because now that the loopholes have been closed new characters can't get them in those ways any more. This results in unbalances to KOABD even though it's not the players' fault for having maxed the titles. Therefore raising the max for Sunspear is still the right thing to do in the interest of fairness to every KOABD holder.

Gli · Feb 16, 2007, 08:20 AM // 08:20

I agree that it's the right thing to do, but to make it completely fair, they should enable scout bounties for another level of the title so we won't have most of the community stuck at around 7.500 points and a lucky few at around 15,000. Then, introduce whatever it is that will allow people to reach the new max.

Eilsys · Feb 16, 2007, 08:26 AM // 08:26

Seems like a strange way to "solve" a problem... and how the heck do you outrank a Spearmarshall? That makes no sense.

Valeria · Feb 16, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09

well it is pretty annoying if you have 9/10 titles maxed because they removed the spearmarshal. (if only there was a way to repeat survivor -.-)
I just don't get why they removed the title now and add a possibility to gain it later.

NeHoMaR · Feb 16, 2007, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Whatever, I don't like when people use some "tricks" (aka. exploiting) for make titles, nop, I don't like it.

IMO, is very stupid look at any People Know Me knowing that he/she has some titles very hard to get and some titles just doing easy things. IMO, all titles MUST be HARD to max, what is the purpose of easy titles? I don't see any; ArenaNet could fix that very easily, that added level to Sunspear title is a beautiful step /clap

Dione Davore · Feb 16, 2007, 05:17 PM // 17:17

I'd like to be able to get survivor on my 18 months old ranger.

It's unfair that she can't get the title when it was introduced later than her birth. Anet made more changes for people to get titles they first couldn't get. Like Tyrians couldn't have grandmaster cartographer or protector of cantha in the beginning.
Not dying with a newb-character and a older character for 1,5mil XP is not that much of a difference.

I think much would appreciate it when the title is available for all older characters too.

Evilsod · Feb 16, 2007, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

Whatever, I don't like when people use some "tricks" (aka. exploiting) for make titles, nop, I don't like it.

IMO, is very stupid look at any People Know Me knowing that he/she has some titles very hard to get and some titles just doing easy things. IMO, all titles MUST be HARD to max, what is the purpose of easy titles? I don't see any; ArenaNet could fix that very easily, that added level to Sunspear title is a beautiful step /clap

All titles have methods of been easily maxed...

Protectors are just easy.
Drunkard is if you have the money for Spiked Nogs.
Sweet Tooth is if you have the money.
Cartographers are if you have Photoshop or access to GW guru (But still a pain in the arse).
Skill Hunters are more time consuming than actually hard.
Lucky/Unlucky are pure bred AFKing.
LB *was* pure bred AFKing, its not hard to max, just takes ages.
Sunspear wasn't hard to max, just had to know what you were doing in advance.
Chest Runner isn't hard. Just takes absolutely ages.
Wisdom can be gotten easily through buying unids. You need the money, nothing hard here.
Faction donation, if you were prepared to do the FF run 25000 times you'd have it. Easy, but extremely time consuming.
Gamer, can be hard to max fast. Easy to max slowly.
Survivor can be farmed.

ALL titles are maxable easily if you have:
The time or
The money or
Access to the right things.

Some can be said hard if you max them faster than taking the easy route... but that doesn't change the fact it can be gained easily.